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? commissioner burden, commissioner hillis, moore and sugaya? >> commissioners first on your calendar are items proposed for continuance. i only have one item number 8 under your director's report, the planning commission policy on impinging product implementation is proposed for continuance to february 28, 2013. >> i have no speaker cards. >> did you want to make a comment to that at all? >> yeah, just that we would like a little more time to work on this to talk to some commissioners about this and need a few more weeks to refine that work. >> okay, thank you. is there any public comment on the item, single item proposed for continuance? seeing none, commissioner moore? >> would we be scheduling a discussion item on it so it would have an introduction about the underlying policy or policy changes that we have a little bit more time to think about and including hearing other city departments like the control, anybody weigh in what kind of ramifications it has financially, all questions that are part of a broader discussion. >> we could do that if the president concurs, sure. >> commissioner su
roll. commission president fong, here, vice president, here, antonini, here, moore, here, sugaya, here. commissioners, first on your calendar consideration of items proposed for continuance. item 1 at # 369 third avenue is proposed for continuance to january 24, 2013. item 2, case 2011-at 480 potrero avenue to march 21, 2013. on your calendar, under your regular calendar, 16,(a), b,(a) c for 2011-.00av and x there a request for a continuance. specific so you may want to consider that as well. >> president fong: is there any public comment on the two items, plus the third that was just added? potentially. >> good afternoon, president fong, members of the commission, i'm jim ruben. i'm here on the item where there's been a request for a continuance from supervisor kim's office. i was advised of that request yesterday directly from her office. i talked to a number of people, including some of you. we are not opposed to a continuance. we would like us to talk to some groups that have been identified late yesterday afternoon and we will do that. i'd like a short continuance as the calendar
. >> president fong: commissioner moore. >> commissioner moore: excuse me, i hear you say, besides i think you're making a great pretion, it seems you're really understanding how this all comes together. you made more money than you spent is that correct? >> we're projecting we will take in more money than originally anticipated. >> commissioner moore: that's great. now you're asking because you will be making more money, to be allowed to spend some of that money on your own in order to stay on the course of making the money. >> we are requesting the authority to accept that additional money, that is not currently in our budget, and to be able to spend it. >> commissioner moore: so if you wouldn't be asking for the supplemental appropriation, and you would make the money, would that just automatically disappear? would it go #] somewhere, where somebody makes the money and doesn't give it back to you? >> so the way the budget process works is you have cash that comes in the door, but you have to have budget appropriation. so we have excess cash that's above and beyond what we assumed in the bud
. >> second. >> commissioner moore. >> i think the proposed alterations are very much in line with style being understated, california shingles style. i think it's very appropriate to do the expansion on top. only thing i would ask have we thought up bird friendly footing or what might be required since we're so close to the ocean? >> thanks commissioner moore. it's the plans don't already show the bird friendly glass, we'll make sure they do. they will need to by code. >> because you're in a area that requires that anyway is that correct? >> believe so. >> you would pay attention to that, i appreciate that. >> correct. >> thank you, >> commissioner on the motion to not take d.r. and approve the project as proposed. commissioner antonini, borden, moore, that motion passes unanimously, 6-0. places you under public comment. i have no speaker cards. >> happy new year to everyone. today is my first day back at city hall. i didn't see the agenda. i'm on way to human rights commission. let me state the purpose i'm here for. because of our pass supervisor, kristina, she last month or so, she request
, public comment portion is closed. commissioner moore. >> commissioner moore: i'd like to put to the record that this is a mandatory discretionary review, and the issues, which the residential design team has addressed are those typically addressed in a mandatory discretionary review. i want to say that i think the review is extremely thorough, creative, and supportive of those ideas that are important to us as a commission. i want to comment taking it down from the top, the 15 foot setback from the street is something which this commission has asked the department to consistently implement. it's not 11 feet. it's not 12 feet. it's 15 feet where it occurs on the street side of a property which is larger than two stories, because this particular setback should not be seen from the front. so it's really not an issue to question, but just to accept because this commission has used this rule and over the years had the department strong implement the same 15 feet wherever that type of condition occurs. on the second one, regarding the garage door, that is also a guideline which thi
. thank you. it lookses like a good project. >> commissioner moore. >>i think the restrictions to going into different uses [inaudible] and architect explained and i am comfortable moving this. >> commissioner hillis. >> i agree and i like the fact that we don't normally see second floor uses for office and we have dental offices where there is not a lot of retail. >> it's an active use. >> commissioner wu. >> could i just ask a question about the bmr unit. i see a two bedroom unit and one bedroom unit allocated for bmr's and the decision will be made later for rental or ownership according to the project sponsor. >> correct. >> thank you. and bmr's are they slated to be in the same building or different building? >> there are one requirement and the sponsor has that as a three bedroom unit. >> commissioner wu if i could clarify under the housing legislation 20% reduction triggers reduction of two to one and right now one unit because of prop c, correct, so there is only one affordable unit. >> okay. thank you. >> commissioners there is a motion and a second to approve with condition
of this commission to the board of supervisors. >> second. >> commissioner moore did you have another comment? >> yes. talk about general plan compliance as well. >> just one final comment. i think it's also important i think for the commission that this is the first time that we've considered a historic district under the new historic preservation ordinance and i think it's also the first one the historic preservation commission has respected to the board of supervisors, so this say first for a couple of things. thank you. >> commissioner moore. >> continue on that. it's the first time that it was in all of the market octavia plan and this subject came up for years and years and consistently repeated recommendations and comments by the community that we are supporting the nomination as described by commissioner sugaya and his motion. >> commissioner antonini. >> and i also want to thank the historic preservation commission and the staff for preparing the draft for duboce park landmark district designation went which is wonderful history to read and you learn a lot of things about san fr
. >> commissioner moore. >> i like to ask the architect to explain to me the ground floor of fence enclosure of why any how? >> i'm sorry. could you repeat that commissioner moore? >> the fence on the ground floor. you having a fence here? >> it is existing, and it's proposed that it would be maintained. there hasn't been any expression by my clients or the neighbors that it go away or lower. >> i am just wondering as to whether or not and more informal garden like that kind of deals with playing with the garden as it helps with the side yards setbacks and planting wouldn't allow this building to look more -- less imposing but more generous to maintaining the collective impression of the mid-block open space. i personally don't find the ground and intrusion into the midblock open space or the fence partially and it staggered and holds back from the adjoining building to the east. we have to remember that the building is -- the grarden is north facing. it is a north facing building which means the sun, the southern sun, the eastern sun, is fully affecting all units impacted by this addition, bu
and that includes out bursts. open it up for questions. commissioner moore. >> you are showing this and the circular stair. what is the purpose? >> are you talking about the rear of the property? >> that's correct. >> that is a spiral stair case for egress. >> the fire department doesn't allow those for egress. is that an ornamental idea of yours -- >> perhaps we should ask mr. washington about that and circular stairs are not permitted anymore. >> i'm not an expert on the -- >> we had that before and remember the instructions at that time and somebody else tried to do it -- >> do you know what year that was? was it this past year perhaps? because they do change the code. >> 2010 that the city ask county of san francisco adopted the universal business code and changed some of the local code requirements. >> i could not definitely say. however, i am concerned that the element adds something they am not comfortable. i have a question -- i have a question for mr. [inaudible]. would you please confirm that the applicant owns both 1587 and 1589. >> thank you for asking that qu
comment? commissioners? commissioner moore. >> commissioner moore: could you perhaps, on page 5, under division program -- work program administrative division, explain to me why there is a drop in personnel assigned to the commissions. you're going from four in 2013, to three in 14-15. >> commissioner, last -- in the current fiscal year, when we found out that linda was going to retire, we had -- we double budgeted that position. there was a second position in there that was 0923, manager two for those of you on the recruitment committee which is a topic of discussion. so there was a two and a four in there. and so this now reflects, with linda's retirement, the other position going away, and the staffing level going back to three. >> commissioner moore: thank you. appreciate that. for the director, and it's not as much budget, you mentioned -- do you see expression master plans for public owned sites, would you give us an example. that's kind of scary, actually. >> yeah, that word is probably not correct terminology. i apologize. the idea as i mentioned earlier we're working on these
antonini? >> present. >> commissioner borden? commissioner hillis? >> here. >> commissioner moore? >> here. >> and commissioner sugaya? >> here. >> commissioners, first up is consideration of items proposed for continuance. i have one item under your regular calendar, item number 7, case no. 2012.1183tz, amendments to the planning code to establish the fillmore street neighborhood commercial district (board file no. 12-0814). it is proposed to be continued to april 4th, 2013. >> is there any public comment on the item proposed for continuance? seeing none, commissioners? commissioner moore. >> welcome to supervisor [speaker not understood] district and i fully support the continuance. move to continue. >> on that motion to continue, commissioner antonini. >> aye. >> commissioner hillis? >> aye. >> commissioner moore? >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya? >> aye. >> commissioner wu? >> aye. >> and commission president fong? >> aye. >> so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously +6 to -0. commissioners, that will place you on your consent calendar. all matters listed here under constit
something that some of us are looking for. >> commissioner moore. >> both comments by commissioner suguya and commissioner wu are spot-on. it is something that none of us have experienced. however, the guidance given to us and the interpretation to us by the zoning administrator that this should follow the typical timeframes by which projects come back is what indeed i feel comfortable supporting because that is by the rules that we work and that is what the public is expecting. i would suggest that it is indeed changed and movement on the project. however, until the process has been fully worked out with the neighborhood regarding all of the issues that were briefly touched on by the people presenting, it's time to do it right this time. as we always said, every project has neighborhood support and the department's guidance has indeed created that and we're agreeing with it, then the project should hopefully be on successful way for approval. >> commissioner suguya, do you have another comment? >> i did. to the zoning administrator, interpretation of the planning code language that a
all. it would be great to acknowledge that in the motion. >> commissioner moore. >> we will see if the public has any other items. >> we are calling them together. >> so the motion includes nine, 10, and 11. >> second. >> great. thank you. >> on that motion to approve items nine, 10 and 11 commissioner antonini. >> aye. >> commissioner hillis. >> aye. >> commissioner moore. >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya. >> aye. >> commissioner president fong. >> aye. >> that passes commissioners unanimously five to zero. >> next item. >> commissioners that places you on item 12 at 2121 19th avenue. >> good afternoon commissioners. i am mitchiel planning staff and this is located at 2121 19th avenue and between quintara and rivera street. it's a request for conditional use permit. through at&t this facility is the regular cellular antenna facility that we see most often and antennas on the roof top and equipment within ground floor area and location preference seven site because it's residential two and the height limit is 40 feets. just a few things to add in 1997 sprint was approved for a
moore. >> i'm generally concerned that the budging out of the property line is an issue. when you change the residential area from residential into an in city that at the time it was done has implication because you've got home - you could potentially go all the way out to the property line with or without that line is no effect to me. if you're joining both properties to the north i would significant that we find a line by which the restaurant and the commission indeed wants to support find a sense of expansion so we could still have a residential building. but if you have - we're not looking at what building type we're trying to ending large so i would like to take a slightly more tighter look at the restaurant and i'm not even sure in 10 or 11 feet is the right li line. and then where the stair ends doesn't scombern me >> i'm supporting the country club by i want to ask the staff does the stairwell require outside space. >> the second floor rear deck it is divided into two portions the rear portion is required for use. >> it is required. >> yeah, the purpose of the stairwe
to hear what the rest of the commission has to said. >> commissioner moore. >> before i get into my comments on the specifics of the project, i would like to acknowledge my support for commissioner wu's concerns about the trade-off between on-site and off-site in this particular case, very well phrased, has a very important policy question with the hope we will continue discussion with the [speaker not understood] and among ourselves. we do all want to avoid the overconcentration of affordability within one area as well. so, i think it's a very subtle question. what is the proper balance. two comments on the project. it's amazing that we're starting the year, the new year, with such a powerful project. i think it's very, very strong because this project has been around forever with all of its trials and tribulations, the ups and downs, the downs and the glimmers of hope of it can you having back and not coming back. that aside, i want to acknowledge the public on an extremely sensitive and well thoughts common to basically cover the whole spectrum of what the commission likes and ne
bones, existing bones. and i still saw that basement is really set up for parking. commissioner moore. >> this commission spends years and years and years, nights and nights and nights on thursdays to develop policies surrounding the eastern neighborhoods including parking [speaker not understood] in transit corridors. i believe that it opens a door for a policy by which, depending on how you want to sell your project, you will find arguments that your project indeed deserves exceptions or considerations outside of what the rest of the folks have to adhere to. i think it has very, very questionable tone for how developers appear in front of this commission. i do think that this project has many other exceptions and exemptions it is asking for. these are important to consider. they don't [speaker not understood]. those have to be considered in addition to parking. rear yard, whatever they are, i believe that the parking issue with the staff recommendation for an already increase is what this commission should be supporting. >> commissioner antonini. >> it's always curious to me why we
moore and i and commissioner chair wu. >> it passes. >> commissioner anthony. >> yeah. a few items in regards it the secretary subcommittee we met yesterday and we'll be meeting again next wednesday and we're having 0 some input on a few areas. we have a substance material expert who is analysising these >> and what that step is finished and the subcommittee has approved some of it we will begin to post the job position and it will be posted for thirty to 35 days. i would like to ask that it be calendared. >> sounds like a good idea. >> and i have a couple of other comments. article in today's chronicle >> areas in the sunset this deals with a number of houses where the lawns or great areas in front of the houses have been pasted over because the owners don't want to put the effort into maintaining them. this is not allowed and they did make references to this. we didn't have the funding to release this but i will support or at least identify some of violations of the home owners. but there have been a number of these that have been eliminates. i did mention in 1965 was a beaut
argument to continue it i think 5 can make a decision as well as 5 for that matter >> commissioner moore. >> i'm happy to continue. >> i have to admit i am reluctant to go forward because the burden is on us. i believe that a project of this size it's a question of principle should have many commissioners present because we have the largest number of opinions on the subject manner >> commissioner anthony and in that regards to that question that the certification of an e i r which would be brother us in those important projects we need more votes so it's more important practically is 10 years that have gone into this project. i think it's only fair to the project sponsors and i'm prepared to vote on it today and hear it today but i think there is a sentiment it should be continued because it's a very important project. we need a larger commission to go forward with this. commissioner borden >> here's what i'm not - i mean members of the public probably don't know we're not allowed to speak outside this quorum. at this point we're public -i'm fine with continuing it and i'm trying to
moore. >> commissioner moore: it's difficult to get into this discussion without expressing appreciation for the effort, but i do think that many of the comments made by the public, somewhat reflect my own concerns. most and foremost i believe the words of planning department charter has to be changed. san francisco is the only city in california, is the only city and county which is a chartered city. just very unusual. in california that is i think -- legal reference. for this i think is an ideal statement, a manifesto of creed or of basic values in its application and presented to the public and the commission -- personally generic. and while i agree with many of the values expressed of how we conduct ourselves personally and professionally with respect to trust and consistency and those things there need to be references to what informs us in our actions relative to those values. and i would agree with ms. hestor with public records policies, the chartbo) r÷ itsel, charter amendments, the rules, and plan regulations that govern planning need to be referenced as a daily part of refere
? commissioner moore. >> commissioner moore: ms. ms. rodgers. a very special element to it. just wanted to mention that. >> thank you for that. >> president fong: commissioner antonini. >> commissioner antonini: thank you. a couple of things i was interested in learning the twin peaks tavern allegedly the first of the bars with windows where you could look in. the first of the so-called fern bars because i thought ith&::úss henry -- it would be the late 60's early 70's. but on another note, i heard about the avalos legislation. and, now, i remember we've, on numerous occasions considered our policy on demolitions and reset the policy accordingly. so i don't understand why -- i guess its strfl administrative i don't know why the board of supervisors -- >> the clerk of the board has not transmitted the full ordinance to us yet but we will, in our analysis, review, as you said, we've done recent updates to our merger criteria and will review that history when we bring the ordinance before you. >> commissioner antonini: but we would presumably be the decision-making body on that if it's pl
, present, boren, hillis, here, moore, hee, sugaya, here. first on your calendar consideration for items proposed for continuance. item 1, for 1856 pacific avenue, discretionary reviews have been canceled. under your regular calendar, item 12, case 2012.1183t and z amendments to the planning code for fillmore street there's a request from the supervisor's office to continue this item to january 10, 2013. we have just learned that item 18 for case 2012.0928dd and d for 2000 20th street all drs have been withdrawn. the only action in your continuance calendar is for item 12, if you so wish. >> president fong: is there any public comment on item 12 for continuance. >> commissioner antonini: move to continue. >> the clerk: commission antonini, aye, borden, aye, hillis, aye, moore, aye, wu, aye. 7-0. consenticle considered to be retoon by the planning commission and will be acted on by a single roll call vote. there will be no discussion unless the public requests in which case it will be removed from the consent calendar and considered as a separate item at this or a future hearing. you have
will withdraw the continuance. >> okay. >> okay. then the motion -- >> commissioner moore has a comment. >> i would like -- we have one registered architect here mr. jocelyn. i would like to ask you with the building designed in 61 what type of drawings would you expect as a registered architect and with dr and wouldn't the existing drawings at a minimum reflect what it is i oom not discussing the merging or not. that's not the issue for me. it's the type of drawings submitted and what type of open door it gives somebody to submit drawings for this type of approval. >> i have to state first i'm not a registered architect in california. i am registered in oregon so with that disclosure i would say for these purposes the kinds of drawings that are provided are not atypical for these processes and acceptable in the manner that was described. that it's not necessarily a requirement of a stamp in our code -- >> i know that. >> nor is it necessarily typical of the process for changes of this modest scale. it might be worth hearing a little more from the sponsor the extent about which an engin
but i will see what the other commissioners have to say. >> commissioner moore. >>i would like the commissioners to look at the parcel map to see that the dr requesters map is south from the proposed subject property. the reason i am saying this is it's about views and not light but about views and as much as i like to protect it the house in front of us today has made concessions that comes out of the san francisco neighborhood discussions [inaudible] portolla drive and you have stately homes and setback from the street and individually designed homes on large lots speak for themselves, kind of stately neighborhood . the fact that the proposed building primarily has relatively low ceiling heights for this building type is already a major concession to keeping the building not too imposing or impacting on adjoining properties and i assume they had the dr request's house in mind also. we also have the additional lot 37 where someone else in the future might be building. what i can tell it's a buildable lot. that's not part of the discussion here. i myself would agree with th
. >> and i think that addresses commissioner moore's question also, in two weeks, your memo will have that level of detail where it shows the proposed fte count widths the initiatives, if you want the actual dollar amounts, i can provide you with what you need. >> commissioner moore? >> i would like to add a comment that in the past year, since this is not our standard everyday literature, just reading it, it is more difficult to understand and then having to vote on it after you make a presentation sometimes raises more questions than answers so i'm wondering if we could spread that with the presentation and then vote in on it a week later or something like that. i always feel a little bit overwhelmed because it's so hard to understand. >> if i may, today is just an informational hearing for what we're proposing at this time and in two weeks, we will be coming and asking for you to vote on the budget and we've also already made a presentation on the preliminary cut of the department's work program a few weeks ago, so we will be coming a total of three time tos the planning commission
that it is as contextal as possible. particularly with the rich buildings of show place square. >> mr. moore? >> i want to speak to both projects because i believe that it is the transformational power that the concept is extremely strong to really create change in the larger area, rather than just looking like one larger project on its own. i think that it is between the two projects together with the dedication for the land for the portable adjacent housings i think that the best idea that i have seen in a long time. what i hope is the number of units particular affordable peaceful hold has been carefully considered and i would ask mr. lee to perhaps talk to us about land take down and renovation of this project because that is obviously in all of our miepds, together, with finding an architect that i have not already used that the appearances of this building has to compliment and complete the context to creating the other two projects. >> the mayor's director of house, thank you for those questions. this is sort of the pro-toe typical land dedication that they had env
? >> are you finished? >> i was going to say that in regards to what commissioner moore has said, if the commission feels more comfortable putting the action item on next week's calendar for the 7th, i mean, i'm only asking for an approval of what we're doing and what i described in general terms with the timetable, but not any action on any final selection process, and that's basically what i think we should have, some sort of consent along those lines but it doesn't have to be today. we can calendar it for next week if that's possible, it's up to the pleasure of the commission. >> okay. so, if -- unless i'm missing something sig kanlt, we sort of asked the sub-committee to go out, do performance work, and come back with a sub submit -- committee, i'm a little uncertain why we need to take an approval or take action on something that is not 100% solidified yet, it seems like it's going in that direction and maybe by the next meeting, we would have some concrete direction. >> might i suggest that we wait until that time in april, i think at this point, you know, there's a proces
impact, if views are not protected, i don't think there is impact. >> commissioner moore? >> i don't think why we need to design an office building height, which is about 13', even 8' floor and 10' is perfectly fine. so i think the motion should consider lowering the upper floor to a 10' floor to ceiling height, which brings the upper floor to 11.1' and solar peanut butter panels are flat and we have something to consider. >> that is a proposed amendment? >> yes. >> we're talking about a total inez tenenbaum of 11.1. basically replicating the existing unit floor to ceiling height, which is very, very nice for a generously sized unit. and working on the solar panels to be in the flatter configuration. >> if the secretary is okay with it. i will second that amendment. >> second. >> commissioners you have a motion and second. amending the proposal to incorporate a floor to floor height no greater than 11' 1" and flat solar panels. (roll call ) >> so moved commissioners that motion passes 6-1. commissioners that will place you on your final regularly calendared item no. 17. 2
issue is the looikt in the back >> commissioner moore. >> no, i'm sorry i'm done. >> this reminds me of a case we had 6 years ago. there was a rear patio in the middle of residential area and i think our bilth concerns were the sound sketches and they were able to make enough changes to mull u muffle is sound. i think it's worked out fine >> commissioners on a motion to continue on february 7th. so moved the commissioners that moved and passed 6 to zero >> what was the other one? >> commissioners that will put i under item 16 for d and d at 740 bay street. requests for discretionary review. good afternoon commissioners i'm david from department staff. the case - this week is for decision correcty review to construct a two-story horizontal at the rear of the two-story garage located mid block on the north side of bay street in russian hill. decks are proposed. the subject lot measures 25 feet wide by 37.3 feet deep. two residential buildings on their own lot. the lot closet to the street contains a two-story unit. directly adjacent and west to the side. the character of the subject
on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner moore. >> commissioner moore: this is remarkably exciting, particularly having it presented. to hear your priorities, wonderful. i will remember a piece of architect that happens to be in china at the temple of heaven where there is indeed a wall which does exactly this, and it is amazing experience to all of a sudden walk in a quiet space, and your hearing voices, and you cannot even physically see the sounds. it's just a lovely experience where you are. there is a presence of people there, yet physically not there. he hadians, because you see them tracing celestial patterns, reminds you bringing the history plaza, together with the use of materials connecting us to the infrastructure. i think that just really thought provoking piece and i hope that there's somewhere in this area a little piece so people can read the complexity of what your doing. >> we do have the laudite approach, which is my approach, which is you can read it. i mean i don't use a qr code, but that neighborhood is twirt, it's all of these ver
and his father and had a class in moore house of seven students. dr. brown and members of the class and knew them before and before then and he brings a lean yaj of struggle to the table every time he speaks with tremendous morale authority and stroke couldn't stop him for fight wg great power. [applause] i want to thank mayor ed lee for convening the family. for all the times we think of leading from the front. often you lead from the center. you have the power to convene the family, to look at a family crisis and think it through, and it figure
to san francisco and knew dr. king and his father and had a class in moore house of seven students. dr. brown and members of the class and knew them before and before then and he brings a lean yaj of struggle to the table every time he speaks with tremendous morale authority and stroke couldn't stop him for fight wg great power. [applause] i want to thank mayor ed lee for convening the family. for all the times we think of leading from the front. often you lead from the center. you have the power to convene the family, to look at a family crisis and think it through, and it figure it out, and if we can get out of our own's self way we might find solutions to a problem that is multi-faceted. i want to thank pastor bryant here who is the spokesman in the state and reverend brown and used his zeal and intelligence, his will to fight. he is a preacher, pastor, teacher, musician and a san francisco giant fanatic. [applause] and to all of you here today this issue of violence is a complex and challenging one. no one need to be self rightious about it because there is no instant answer t
, the ring. >> i followed the winding coast road back from cove airny moore and her brother cast in branz at the center entrance head of a line at elis island looking as though they a choired dreksz in their own country. dim passage through american wait and coffinship the figures of a prior generation real to swells and sound effects each swollen in the ache of crossing. my father's ship united states streaming to the harbor, the way it steamed in the narrows below the rising towers of the bridge. above the keys, saint coalmans resided over the dock where my mother's mother waited and my father's forefather disappeared like vermon in the fields they flooded home. i can tell you where the to beins first landed that invited me to the patio in the house glass of whisky regard in luminous in the long twilight. if you drive east on the way to gonegarvin off to the right you will come on the ring road where there are to beins from norman times. the name [inaudible] into our own name now. i had known history but not the place. so next day driving along the route each village seemed a station on
. and especially as far as the solar panels are concerned. >> commissioner moore? >> i have a question for mr. lindsey, called process. this is the first time today that we are hearing that we are moving from a dr into a conditional use authorization. that by itself requires neighborhood notification is that correct? >> that is correct. >> has this neighborhood notification been issued to all the people with a sufficient amount of time? i would like to ask, please do not participate in my discussion with planning staff here. the reason why i'm asking is we had a holiday and we're moving back into holidays. for me it comes as a big surprise for a change in cu. i am very surprised. i kind of don't have a sense that the type of dialogue we normally encourage in the cu between an applicant and the neighborhood has been done to the extent that it answers those kinds of questions. for example, the issue about the solar panels. they are 11' above the additional floor we're adding. that is a significantly taller building because we all know that solar panels are very significant and they are not
. >> commissioner moore? >> we understand that the implementation of the street tree program and the fact that the city can't maintain the trees but put the responsibility back on the home owners or adjoining property owners is still an issue, do we move forward? >> this line item is inventory of the trees and developing a plan for their further retention and growth so the maintenance question, you're right is an important question, it's not completely resolved yet, it's important to have this work done as a background for that. >> thank you for clarifying that. another question perhaps for mr. demartini, is there another place where we could see a little more detail on how the commission itself is budgeted as there are a number of line items which come together when you bring that figure forward, that includes an addition to the stipend, obviously the cost
, commissioner moore. >> i am very interested and very supportive of this particular legislation. what i would like to ask and perhaps you are already doing it, i see diagrams of bike racks, which reflect more of the traditional approach to bike racks and a significant amount of theft, which is happening. i hope sfmta and yourself and the bicycle coalition will strongly investigate which types of bike racks and which types of locks provide the largest security? i just recently read an article where the police department themselves tried to recommend to bicyclists what to do. it's a question of staying in the dialogue of technology, new and improved bike racks, including the fact that people are starting to ride slightly more expensive bicycles than just the $10 rotterdam-type bicycle. with that, because it make thems feel more comfortable or safety people want assurance that those bicycle racks are safe. just like with your car, you don't want it falling over when someone else pulls their bike out. that there is a little bit of understanding of what it takes to park a bike properly and safel
. >> commissioner moore? >> move to approve. >> second. >> i'm sorry, the proper wording is not take dr and approve >> commissioners on that motion to not take dr and approve the project as proposed. (roll call ) so moved commissioners. that motion passes unanimously, 7-0. and puts you on your final item on your calendar, public comment -- have i have no speaker cards. >> is there any general public comment? if not, it's been a good year. >> thank you. >> it's been very productive. thank you everyone. and we'll see you next year. >> thank you. meeting adjourned. [ gavel ] >> hello. welcome to "meet your district supervisor." we are here with supervisor carmen chu from district four, which includes the central and outer sunset and park side neighborhood. supervisor chu was elected to the board of supervisors in 2008 and reelected in 2010. we will get to know her and talk about the toughest issues facing the city. welcome, supervisor. thank you for joining us. let's start by talking about your background -- where you grew up, what kinds of jobs you have work. supervisor chu: my p
. >> commissioner borden? >> aye. >> commissioner hillis? >> aye. >> commissioner moore? >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya? commissioner wu? >> aye. >> and commission president fong? >> aye. >> so moved, commissioners. that motion passes 6 to 1. there is nothing further, commissioners, on this calendar. you may adjourn. >> do we need a motion to adjourn this? >> no. >> commission is going to take about a five-minute break here and we'll come back with the regular calendar. >>please stand by; meeting in recess >> the planning commission regular hearing for thursday, january 10th, 2013. please be advised that the commission does not tolerate any disruption or outbursts of any kind. silence any mobile devices that may sound off during the proceedings. if you're speaking on the agendized item, please fill out a speaker card and when speaking before the commission, speak directly into the microphone and please state your name for the record. those of you standing near the door i'm going to have to ask you to stand on the other side for fire safety reasons. at this time i'd like to take roll.
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